these things can get lost in the details when folks are talking about the bush tax cuts and medicare and medicaid and they're not thinking about corporate taxes. but there is so much that could go in this deal. corporate taxes could be part of it. you would see ceos on television getting involved in this kind of stuff if there wasn't something at stake for them when it came to paying taxes and their bottom line. >> eliot: and another indicator of how far apart the parties are when you hear the debt ceiling where last year things got really angry politically as well as in the private negotiation. you have john boehner saying you are going to have to pay me a price to raise the debt ceiling. as a matter of policy they're saying you pass the tax bill. will there be a long term agreement to the debt ceiling in this issue? >> i doubt it. i'm hearing three-month extension. six-month extension. the republicans have seized upon the debt ceiling as an issue as a piece of leverage. i don't think you would be seeing democrats talking about changes to medicaid or changes to medicare as part of a